Evelyn Lang was born on the 11th October 1915 and baptised on the 26/11/1915 in India.
She married Stonehewer
Abbot Stanynought on the 11th March 1949 (Westminster 5c 793). He
was born on the 7th November 1915 again in India.
She went to school at the Stella Mary Convent at Nieuport in Belgium (was this where Aunty Molly was) and then to St Philomena’s Convent on the 13th January 1921 and left in December 1925 – where did she go to school after that as she was only 10?
She and Stoney lived in Wimbledon and Merton Park, London – 6 Mansell Road (just off Wimbledon Hill Road) and also 50 Kingswood Road, Merton Park which was very near to where we lived in Dorset Road – I remember going there when I was younger. They also had flats in Alwyne Road, Wimbledon.
She and Stoney moved to Australia to be nearer to Stoney's relations and both died there at very good ages... (see below) for her Obituary.
STANYNOUGHT, Evelyn Mary Bernadette Late of
Wooloowin, formerly Ascot, Passed away peacefully, 5th June, 2014. Aged 98
Years. Beloved Wife of Stoney (dec'd) and much loved Aunt. Family and Friends
are invited to a Graveside Service at Albany Creek Memorial Gardens, 400 Albany
Creek Road, Bridgeman Downs, on Thursday, 12th June, 2014, commencing at 10:30
a.m. Funerals Published in The Courier-Mail on 10/06/2014
She
was born on the 10th October 1923 in Iran (Consular Birth Indices
Bushire 17 685)
She also went to St Philomena’s School starting on the 19th September 1933 and left on the 21st September 1939.
She
married first of all to Andrius Berentemfel (part of the Phillips electrical
company and was of Dutch origin I think).Jan-Mar 1943 (Surrey Mid-E 2a 825) - I have noticed that he uses both Berentemfel and Phillips names to get married.
She
married for the 2nd time to Leslie Sheerman-Chase (he was a
draughtsman and was designer of part of Victorian Coach Station on the 7th
October 1952 - who had 2 children by his previous marriage – Joy and Raye. His first wife was Jocelyn E M White and they got married in January 1940 (so when did they get divorced).
She died on the 18th April 1990 at the War Memorial Hospital in Carshalton unfortunately of cirrhosis of the liver and lung cancer (she smoked like a chimney too). Bernard (her brother was the informant) and was registered on the 20th April 1990.
She lived in Chaucer Gardens, Sutton Surrey but her flat burned down on the 30th June 1986.
Emily
Bird was born in Dublin, Ireland on the 3rd May I886 or 2nd May 1887 (I don't think a lot of people actually knew their real birth date according to research I have done) to William
Bird (who lived possibly in Kanturk, Watergate Lane Parish Comfort, Cork) and
Kate (Kathleen or Katherine) Irwin and was one of 4 children I think (Emily, Roseanna (Rose), Kathleen and Eleanor). I think William and Kate were their parents but William died in 1898 when Emily would have only been about 12 or 13. Kate then remarried (need to confirm dates) and after some time Emily was sent to be with her Aunt and Uncle, Emily Robson (nee Bird) and Bartholomew Robson (Swinyard).
According the birth records, she was baptised on the 17th May 1886 at St Andrew’s Church (All Hallows') RC Chapel*, Dublin and lived at 5 Mead Cottages, Dublin.
According to the 1901 census
Kate Irwin (her mother) was a widow aged 33 (so born 1867 approx) and a cleaner at the Civil Service Office in Dublin. The residence address was 31.3.1901 and the address was listed as 43.6 Denzille Street, Trinity, Dublin and was a Roman Catholic. She could also read and write.
There were 4 children - all girls (definitely a trait in the Lang family I think...) - Emily (14), Eleanor (13), Rose (9) and Kathleen (6).
There definitely is a link to a Dunne family - I have a photo of a Mattie Dunne who was she? I also found a record on the National Archives of Ireland that a John Dunne lived at Mead Cottages who apparently made a claim against the Wynn’s Hotel, Abbey Street, Lower Mead’s Cottages, Wentworth Place – asked for £2.2.6 for destruction of clothing – payment of £3.15s was recommended by the Committee. PLIC/1/6031.
I have looked up Denzille Street and have also found that a William Dunne (relation to Mattie and John?) was an inhabitant or Ratepayer and lived in the drawing room and the back parlour.
Time in India, Karachi and the Persian Gulf
I have found a Passenger List which contains
Memories
She
was always known to us as Grandma Lang and I remember going with my dad to
collect her on a Sunday and also remember her lovely apple pie. She was also
responsible for my learning and loving crafts – she taught me crocheting and knitting.
I
do have a very very old photo of her when she was young – she went to France in
the early 1900’s to become a governess to a Count’s children in Arcachon and
one story is that she had to leave because both the Count and his son fell in
love with her! She then met Percy when he was over in Croydon on furlough and eventually married him in 1912.
From
the many stories I heard from my mother, she was a very very strange woman –
taking out a lot of her frustrations at having so many children out on them.
But thinking about it it must have been so tough for a widow (without any real
income) being responsible for 7 children
when Percy died in 1930. All of the children had been sent to boarding school
in England (apparently to prevent them being kidnapped by bandits in the Khyber
Pass, India.
She
and Percy (see previous blog post) moved around the Middle and Far East several
times as he worked for the Indo-European Telegraph Department (there were a
couple of times when he was demoted for various reasons (of which I need to
find out more).
There are so many myths and legends surrounding her (some of her own making to be honest) and some of the things that she came out with were just plain silly – like she remembered traffic lights in the desert!!
Here is a colourised version of the above photo:-
To
start with, I think Emily looks very thoughtful – probably thinking of all the
children she had or was going to have, how hot it was out there and so on…She
also appears to be wearing very fashionable clothes (how they wore them out in
the Persian Gulf, India etc when the heat must have been horrendous I don’t
know…). She was only 4ft 11in and to wear a corset/cummerbund and heavy clothes
etc must have been so tough.
I
am not sure how long into the marriage this photo was taken (she and Percival
Wilfred Lang married in November 1912 in Croydon) but she did have her first child
in 1913 and then went on to have 7 others over the next few years including a
set of twins, one of which was my mother.
I
wonder what part of the house this was taken in? I have photos of what is
called “their bungalow” but am not sure if it was theirs or James Matthew’s
(Percy’s grandfather).
She
died on the 3rd August 1979, 17 Overton Road, Sutton, Surrey – I
remember my mum going to visit her as often as she could when she moved into
the nursing home – I think she would have loved to have stayed at home but just
couldn’t cope. She died of old age but the official report on her death
certificate states cerebral thrombosis /cerebral arteriosclerosis.
According
to another record in 1951(Royal Warrant Pension) India Office Pension to the
National Bank of India, 26 Bishopsgate, London EC2 of £35.00
In her will ( 9.3.1969) – beneficiaries included Rose Frances Hall (sister) £250.00, David Hall (her grand nephew) £100.00, Catherine Hoy (her granddaughter £100.00 and Grant Fuller (my brother) £100.00 – think they were all her godchildren.
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| Langholme as it was called recoloured from black and white photo |
I can often remember going to her place in Alma Road, Carshalton and was always spooked out by the house as it was always so dark. It was an incredible house – with an Anderson or Morrison shelter in the garden – it was always full to the brim of stuff and there were several rooms downstairs (including a small passageway at the back of the house. There were 2 bedrooms on the first floor and a bathroom (where my mum apparently cut and scarred the bottom of her back when a chamber pot broke and cut her! Grandma Lang’s bedroom was in the front of the house and she had a really large box full of presents that she used to receive but never open and then give them to other people when they had birthdays etc. There were then 2 other smaller bedrooms up a short flight of stairs.
I have now found this wonderful photo of Percy and Emily (which I have digitally colourised) on their wedding day – it does look to be quite a grand affair as they had the reception at Bartholomew and Emily Robson’s house, Lifford Lodge in Croydon (well it would make sense as it is mentioned on the marriage certificate and I recognise the ivy surrounding the house behind them…. She has such thick hair (something I only remember as being white – I wonder what colour it was to start with? Percy does look a kindly man too – not too tall though as Emily was only about 5' tall
Kate
Irwin – Emily’s mother
William
Dunne (relation to Mattie) https://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/viewdoc.php?burgessid=126858&djvupath=imagefiles&orderby=007030&imagefile=BR.1910.1549.jpg
I have found her on a Passenger list leaving on the 23rd
October 1914 (so she was 20 at the time) along with James Matthew (who was 57)
and it states that he was a merchant and Mary Ellen (who was 49) – destination
Karachi, Pakistan – this must have been at the start of the 1st
World War so what was JM doing during the war - am assuming he was too old to be called up? The ship was the SS Kaiser I
Hind, Official number 128653 – the master’s name was CD Bennett and was part of
the P&O Steam line (Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co). – it was
bound for Bombay, India so how did they then get to Karachi, or was it one of
the ports of call? – The registered tonnage was 5989 and there were 512
passengers!
Jack Welch was a poultry farmer (my mum remembers going to
visit both Dodo and Jack and was then made to wring chickens necks!
They adopted a daughter Joan who married William (Bill) Spiller. – they
had 2 children, Kevin John (b. 21st March 1950) and Trefine Anne May
who was born on the 13rd November 1951
Who is Reverend Welch? Dodo apparently lived in
Littlehampton.
John
Francis (Jack) Welch
Had quite a few brothers and 1 sister (both brothers were priests so
the above must have been one of them and lived in Shrewsbury – Hugh Welch,
Terry Welch and Margaret Welch.
From Katharine
Another interesting thing about Dodo and Jack worth mentioning is that they lived at Ferndown, Wimborne, Hampshire. Incidentally, Estelle talked about Jack in particular as being very good with children and often playing practical jokes on them. Anyhow, I visited the area hoping to find their home but it looked as though it had been built on with a housing estate! Their house and farm was not far from Stapehill Abbey, home of a Trappist Order of Nuns, which is where James Matthew's wife, Mary Ellen Crowley was buried in 1930. I have seen her grave with her gravestone. It is alongside nuns who are buried at the Abbey. I believe that she had a room at the Abbey or in its' grounds and she would stay there on occasions; she was also a benefactress of the Abbey. Now it is: https://www.stapehillabbey.co.uk
https://www.stapehillabbey.co.uk
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| Sr. Anne Josephine (Marie Lang) |
Marie Lang – also known as Sr. Anne Josephine (she was a member of the Roman Catholic religious order Daughters of the Cross) but to us, she was always known as Aunty Molly. She does have a very serene face and can always remember her being a very jolly face with a very lovely laugh!
Marie
Lang was born in Belgaum, India to James Matthew and Mary Ellen Lang on the 14th
October 1887. She was the youngest child of 8 children – 4 boys and 4 girls and
died on the 20th August 1980 in Haslemere, Surrey1
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| Sr. Anne Josephine (Marie Lang) |
She
became a nun at the very young age of 16 and went to Belgium to begin her
Novitiate and travelled to and from there and also to India where she was
involved in a shipwreck – she wrote a first hand account of it which I am going
to add to this shortly.
The following information is what I received from one the nuns at the Order (Sr. Mary Agnes):-
Entered the convent in 1905 but became a postulant on the 7th September 1904 in Liege
Nationality was given as Irish
Became a novitiate again in Liege on 18th January 1905
Gave her first vows for 1 year – one year later on the 18th January 1906
Then made vows for 3 years on the 18th January 1907
Then for 5 years on 18th January 1910
Then Perpetual Vows on the 26th December 1914
She then taught at schools in India, Belgium and Germany and returned finally to England on the 16th April 1963 when I suppose she “retired”
She was involved in a shipwreck on her way to India in 1907 apparently on the 30th December. 4 nuns (between 20-28yrs of age) drowned – will add her account shortly.
She left India when she became sick (what was wrong with her) in 1912 and went to a hospital in Germany.
Her timetable was as follows:-
Aug 1905 from Bury - Ensignment
1907- shipwreck
1909 – Bandra – St Joseph’s Primary and High Schools, Bombay
1911-1912 – Karachi – St Joseph’s Convent School and College
1912-4 – Dusseldorf hospital
1914 – Aspel
1914 – Maison Mere
1915 – Cointe – Cour Anglais
(Where was she during the rest of the 1st World War?)
1919 – Carshalton, England
15th November 1919 – Waltham Cross
2nd July 1920 ?
25th August 1920 – Carshalton, Surrey – Postulant Mistress
3rd May 1924 – Cointe
29th August 1927 – Marie Therese – Superieuse
13th October 1927 – St Veronique – Superieuse
28th November 1931 – Cointe
27th April 1935 – Bury
And where was she during the 2nd World War - I am assuming she was still in Bury from 1935-41
21st August 1941 – Much Hadam – St Elizabeth’s Centre - Hertfordshire
30th December 1941 – Penzance – St Michael’s Hospital (I think)
5th November 1944 – Chelsea
12th August 1945 – Much Hadam
28th September 1949 – Cointe
23rd September 1951 – Carshalton (Retired)
10th September 1956 – Port Regis, Portiere Compte
8th November 1957 – Chelsea – Refectoire
15th April 1963 – Carshalton – Semi invalid
2nd February 1978 – Hazlemere – Invalide
20th August 1980 – Hazlemere died
One other thing that has haunted me for so so long, was when she was staying with us and I took her to church on the Sunday and having let go of her arm for the briefest of seconds, she fell and broke her hip – I can never forget the image of her fall and the fact that her false teeth came loose. I will always feel guilty about that..
She lived to a good old age finally being sent to the Order’s “nursing home” in Haslemere where she died on the 20th August 1980 – her death was the end of a really horrible year when Grandma Lang and Marie also died.1.
1* Ref. Jul/Sep Surrey, SW 17/184
See also:-
Brothers - Percival (Percy) Lang Walter Lang James (Jim) Lang and Thomas (Tom) Lang jnr
Sisters - Norah Lang (Dodo) Ann Lang (Angel) Ethel Lang (Ettie) Marie Lang (Sr. Anne Josephine)
Ethel was born on the 19th July 1891 in India
and was the daughter of James Matthew and Mary Ellen Lang. She married twice –
1st of all to Eric Vypan Whish and then Henry Thomas Hume-Spry. She
died on the 13th September 1968 in Port Sheptstone, South Africa.
She was Christened on the 2nd August 1891,
Karachi, Maharashra, India – ref. C730569/1891 2523867 v66
She didn’t have any children with either of her husbands but from the photos we have of her she definitely had lots of dogs!
Eric Whish died during the war – Apr-Jun 1943 64 Blandford 5a 221 - and then she lived at PO Anerley, South Coast, Natal, South Africa.
Query – from St Philomenas I think – 8th May
1908 – started 17th September 1923. Guarian was Major Anderson G90 India Medical Services
– is this the same person – could be related to Dorothy.
Captain Eric Whish – death certificate says he died on the
7th May 1943 at the Mount, Wimborne Road, Ferndown, Dorset – 64 years
of age ( so was born in 1879 and was a retired Captain of the Royal Australian?
Navy – died of coronary thrombrosis. Informant was A C Whish (brother of
Farnham Common). Date of 13th May 1943. Corrected by Registrar on
the 9th October 1943 col. 4 age)
Eric Vypan Whish – born 31st August 1978, 137
West Malton Street, St Giles, Oxford.
Father was Albert Edward ‘whish and mother Mary Whish (nee
Vipan) – Occupation Cleric (Holy orders)
and registered 26th September 1878.
Ettie’s 2nd husband was called Henry Thomas
Hume-Spry who was born in Regina, Saskatchewan on the 16th February
1893.
I had an email from a Frank Blewitt (from FIBIS) who says
that St Johns was a red brick building near Clive Road and Strachey Road,
Allahabad.
I also got an email from Peter Hume-Spry (a relation) who
says that the Rev. Arthur Browne Spry was a chaplin at Allahabad at the time of
the Indian Mutiny. His wife died at sea in the Bay of Bengal on the ship Alfred
(something else to check up on). En route to England in 1859. He had a memorial
plaque erected in her memory in St John’s Church.
Also had an email from him saying that the Venerable John
Spry married Jane Hume on 6th January 1727 thus linking both names
together. The first known use of the hyphenated surname of Hume-Spry was in
1875. George Frederick Hume Spry advised the War Office that he wisdhed to be
known as Hume-Spry. Around 1900 his grandfather, his brother William and a
cousin were persuaded to have their name changed by deed poll from Spry to Hume-Spry. This lead to
an amusing situation where one of William’s daughters who had been given the
name Hume as a Christian name then became Violet Olive Hume Hume-Spry.
There are still some Sprys around who have Hume as their
last name.
Peter and his two sons were the only living Hume-Sprys
around – need to check that up.
Notes from the Last Will and Testament of Henry Thomas Hume
Spry (Ethel’s husband) – dated 26th
July 1955. Nominated her as main beneficiary (whole estate) and for her to be
executrix and guardian of his daughter by his first marriage (Ethel Rosemary
Spry) – if Ettie predeceased him then it would go to Ethel Rosemary (if of age
but died before him then the money would go to his brother Arthur James Spry;.
If Ettie died before him then the estate would go to the Standard Bank for the
purpose of setting up a trust for her.
There is a further potted history of the Spry’s in the certificates folder which goes far back.
See also:-
Brothers - Percival (Percy) Lang Walter Lang James (Jim) Lang and Thomas (Tom) Lang jnr
Sisters - Norah Lang (Dodo) Ann Lang (Angel) Ethel Lang (Ettie) Marie Lang (Sr. Anne Josephine)
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Oona Lang 1921-2001 |
I
can always remember how self-conscious she was about it and always had to make
sure she was fully made up before seeing anyone.
Both
she and her twin were baptised on the 23rd August 1921 (have
certificates) – Parochial Register of St Patrick’s Cathedral, Karachi 1915/1927
No. 1 130 – Denise’s godparents were James Moore of Kensington and Cissie Burns
from Richmond (who were they). Oona’s were John Burns (probably Cissie’s
husband) and Maureen O’Farrell (who was she?).
**
Baptismal certificate – Bombay Vol 126 Vol 45 7614 No. 6 1921 No. 129
She
was sent to Boarding School at the really young age of 3 – apparently according
to a letter I have seen, white children were threatened with kidnapping so I
suppose Percy and Emily wanted to make sure they were safe – (especially in the
Khyber Pass which is one area they worked in). She went to one in North London
I think which from the tales she told us was a very strict one – with her being
regularly beaten with a hair brush (so much for nuns being kind people)!!! - St Mary's Priory, London, N15
She
finally went to St Philomena’s on the 19th September 1932 and left
on the 22nd July 1938 for a commercial career – she also at some
point went to study music at a school in Manchester (Mattay School of Music which is now the Northern School of Music) - music was always her first love and we nearly always had a piano in the house and even when she could no longer play herself due to her Arthritis, she continued to have one so that we could play.
She
enlisted on the 16th July 1941 when she was nearly 20 in Croydon
(W/168503) – she was described as being 5’ 3 ¾” with green eyes and fair hair.
She became a cine operator and left the army on the 23rd August
1945.
During
the war, she married her 1st husband, Leslie Dunston Remmett Peay (I
think because she wanted to escape life at Langholme) – they married on the 17th
July 1940 (she was only 19) at the Holy Cross Church, North Street, Carshalton,
Surrey – with the witnesses Charles Joseph Oulton and Michael P O’Reilly. The priest was Father Anthony Kavanagh.
She wanted to leave Leslie and had to undergo a series of horrendous examinations to prove it hadn’t been consummated 19.12.1946 and it was finally annulled on the 24th February 1947 – According to the records by court for his refusal to consummate their marriage – she was told by him that he wanted to be a priest and she should be a nun (also told other stories to Stephanie).***
She
married my father, Boyd Percy Fuller on the 20th September 1952 at
Morden Registry Office as they couldn’t marry in church as both were divorced/annulled – it was my mum’s biggest regret I think that she could never go to
church or receive Communion as she was divorced and could only go once my dad
had died.
It
states that he was the Divorced Husband of Marjorie Beryl Fuller (nee Hanbury)
and was an Engineering salesman of equipment and installations. She was a
spinster and a shorthand typist. The witnesses were Maud E Hamman (?) and Marie
N P Berentemfal (her 1st husband who was part of the Phillips Electronics family.
It
says that his father was Hubert Charles Fuller (deceased) and that he was a
Company Director – it is still unbelievable that even in the 1950’s (and still
to this day) that the mother wasn’t included and it really upsets me to think
that I am not on Stephanie and Dave’s marriage certificate even though I
brought her up single handed (with no help at all from her father).
They
lived at 64 Lillie Road, Fulham, SW6, then 4 Albert Palace Mansions, Lurline
Gardens, SW11 in 1960.
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Oona
lived at 56 Stafford Road, Sidcup, Kent (why and who with) 5.10.49 (was she
with Leslie)
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136
Earlshall Road, SE9 10.12.49
· 37 Alma Road, Carshalton, Surrey – 12 April 1950
WWhat it looks like in 2020
· 24 Coulsdon Road, Coulsdon – 4th September 1951
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8
Wharfedale St, SW10 – 11.8.1951 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/8+Wharfedale+St,+Kensington,+London+SW10+9AL/@51.4883482,-0.1916184,3a,41.8y,346.48h,72.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOMmKJTOUjgzqEDC2F2Kw2g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48760f896331de79:0x9100fe1ebaadd39c!8m2!3d51.4883577!4d-0.1916017 )
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Moved
with BF on 1st November 1957(with the children) from 11a to Caterham
and then to 50 Dorset Road, SW19 on the 28th July 1960.
Her death certificate states she died on the 13th December 2001 of Old age, Rheumatoid Arthritis and Asthma – Grant was the informant and the Dr was Dr Kolendo.
***Leslie
Dunston Remmet Peay – born 20th December 1913 (so was about 8 years
older than mum) – he first of all married my mum at the Holy Cross Church,
North Street, Carshalton . His father was Charles Howard Peay who was a
chartered surveyor (born 1885). Leslie then married Sheila Gladys Hull in 1956.
It says that she was 26 which made her nearly half his age!
Records show that he was a College Secretary living at 5 Earls Court Mansions, London, SW2. Sheila was a clerk at the Bank of England and lived at 3 Richmond House, Earls Court Road, London, SW5. Her father was Albert Sydney Hull (Dermatologist) – Leslie’s mother was Poppy Mabel Peay who lived at Oakengates, Pine Walk, Carshalton Beeches in 1940.
Angel as she was more commonly known was born on the 6th June (or 10th
August depending on records) 1889 (C646322). She was baptised/christened on the
15th August 1889 in Karachi, Maharashta.
She married to Edward (Todd) Carter on the 18th April 1914 and died on the 21st Feb or 3rd Mar 1974 again depending on records – Bedford 4a 46 or 3a 2446. From my mother’s diaries, she had a stroke on the 18th February 1974 and died 3 days later.
Looking at the photo above (Photographer by Swaine, New
Bond Street and Southsea 1919-38) She appeared to be a really beautiful woman –
and it seems that she did look quite like Percy her brother (I haven’t got any
photos of Walter, Jim or Tom when older so can’t really compare them!
She had 3 children – Mary, Desmond and Maureen – all of
whom I met at some point and seem to recollect that Grant and I stayed with
Maureen and her children when I was about 15 in North Wales.
I think Sir John Carter** was Todd’s father.
Their children were:
a) Mary
Ellie who was born on the 22nd February 1915, she married Geoffrey
Hugh Percival John on the 17th March 1940 SW Surrey. (he was born 29th
March 1915). They lived at 157 Scalford Road, Melton Mowbray, Leicester.
b) Maureen
was born on the 6th March, 1920 in Alexandria, Egypt – she married
Major William Austin Maynard not sure
when – and lived at 42a Cheriston Gardens London – either W8 or N11
c) Desmond
Anthony Edward Carter – born 7th June 1918 in Sutton, Surrey (Epsom)
– He married 1st of all Kathleen Dorothy Murray and then Serena
Sylvia Hyde and died in 1982.
Edward
G W (Todd) Carter RGA
He was born on the 30th October 1882 West Ham,
4a 43 Oct-Dec 1882 and married on the 15th April 1914.He died on the
6th January 1964 ref Jan-Mar 1964 and buried 10th Jan
1964. He was the eldest son of Maj Gen Sir John Thomas Carter, KCMG.
I have found a record of a Desmond Patrick Webb Carter who
was born in 1887 and died on the 12th December 1916 when he was only
19yrs old – Royal Engineers – L Grave IVE 29 – CWGC Dernancourt (The Somme) (http://www.somme-battlefields.com/memory-place/dernancourt-0) Commonwealth Cemetery extension - he as a LT, 1st Field Companny –
native of Bedforde and son of Major General Sir John Carter and Lady Carter
(Malahide, Co. Dublin) – think this must have been a relation of Desmond’s….
He apparently entered RMA Woolwich in about 1898 and was
commissioned about 1900 into Royal Garrison Artillery as a 2nd
Lieutenant. Served with Imperial
Yeomanry in South Africa from April 1904 to March 1905. Embarked for the Boer
War but war ended before he arrived. Went to India in RGA in 1903 and married
Angel in 1914. Promoted to Captain, RGA on 18th August 1913.
Remained in India until 1916. Brought 9 Bty back as Bty Commander. Formed Ross
and Cromarty Mountain Artillery Brigade. Served in Palestine and India. Axed
under Geddes Axe in 1923. In WW2 too old for army so joined RAF and served in
UK. Known as Todd and Pappa. Promoted to Major, RGA on 30th December
1915. Served in Egypt from 15 Jan to 18 Mar 1916 and with the Egyptian
Expeditionary Force from 19th Mar to 6th Aug 1917 and
from 14th Sept 1917 to 31 Oct 1918. Served in the Balkan States from
6th August 1916 to 15th Feb 1917. Awarded the DSO in
1919. Mentioned in despatches in the London Gazette of 22nd Jan 1919
and 5th Jun 1919. In 1931 was living at Dulce Domum in Trowbridge,
Wiltshire.
Desmond
Anthony Edward Carter – their son was born on 7th
June 1918 in Sutton, Surrey – he married twice – Serena Sylvia Hyde and
Kathleen Dorothy Murray. The latter was born on the 6th June 1916 in
Aldershot and died on the 5th November 1981 and was buried on the 10th
November 1981 in Winchester. They had 5 children – Edward Charles Digby Carter
(Lt.Col) born on the 23rd April 1943 in Fleet, Surrey and married
Patricia Hayes on the 2nd April 1966 in Shoeburyness, Essex. 2nd
child was Rosanne Mary Carter – born 18th Sept 1945 in Guildford,
Surrey – married 1) John Stuart Dennis Reid 2nfd Feb 1969 and then 2) Michael
Pickford 15th Aug 1988 in Tilshead, Wilts and 3) John Arthur
Lawrence 18th July 1997 in Salisbury, Wilts. 3rd child
was Desmond Patrick Carter (Maj) who was born on the 22nd Feb 1947
in Fleet and married Rebecca Kay Johnson on the 13th Aug 1977 in
Portland, Oregon. 4th child was Georgina Dorothy Carter who was born
on the 15th June 1949 in Athens, Greece – she married Edmund Patrick
Thomas Cookson (Maj) on the 3rd Aug 1974. 5th child was
Kathleen Nichola Carter who was born on the 26th October 1954 in
RAFH Wroughton, Wilts and she married Francis Xavier Roberts (MajGen) on the 8th
Aug 1979.
Sir John Carter** - married Ella Louise Crossley on the 5th
April Desmond Patrick. John Hastings, Brian Wolsey, Edward George Webb, Ernest
Abba John and Louis Alfred Latimer. Ella died on the 1st February
1957.
See also:-
Brothers - Percival (Percy) Lang Walter Lang James (Jim) Lang and Thomas (Tom) Lang jnr
Sisters - Norah Lang (Dodo) Ann Lang (Angel) Ethel Lang (Ettie) Marie Lang (Sr. Anne Josephine)
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| Bartholomew and Emily Robson, Lifford Lodge 1912 |
BARTHOLOMEW ROBSON SWINYARD - 1846 - 1928
Bartholomew
and Emily Robson – I had heard their names from both my mother and my
grandmother but who on earth were they? I also have got their photos – now
ageing so it is time for them to be “immortalised”.
For
ages I couldn’t find any information about them but then made the discovery
that Bartholomew was in fact born Bartholomew Robson Swinyard in Horsham, West
Sussex, England. This was such as coincidence as I was actually working in
Horsham at the time and walked past the end of the road he was born in every
morning!
So
who was this Bartholomew and why did my Grandma end up being so close to them
(apart from the fact that Emily Robson was in fact Emily’s Great Aunt?
Bartholomew was born on the 10th June 1846 (registered on the 24th June) and was Christened on 3rd January 1947 in North Street or Station Road, Horsham to a Clay pipe maker called William and his wife Martha. After a while he went to live with his uncle (also called Bartholomew Robson who was a schoolmaster in Jamaica Row in the East End of London and who also gave public lectures on poetry to the poor of Rotherhithe and Bermondsey.
He
was already trading as a bookseller when he married his wife Emily (nee Bird)
whose father was an Essex cowman and she was a housemaid.. She was born in 1849
(1848) in Elsenham, Essex
It
is interesting to see how well they did after that – he became an established
bookseller with shops in the heart of London – including Hanover Street and
Cranbourn Street. When I started doing my family history, I also found out that
he was quite the purveyor of “erotic” literature and have since found many
links to confirm that he was – more of that to follow.
After
a few years of bookselling, he became a partner of a bookseller called Frank
Kerslake who appears to have been a bit of a oddball.There were two brothers –
Frank and Arthur Kerslake (in the 1871 Census – Frank was 18 and Arthur 19 – so
born 1853 and 1852. Lived at 8 Arthur Road, St Pancras, London as a boarder.
The bookshops were at 43 Cranbourn Street, Leicester Square, London, W1. (from Business Directory of London, 1884. This is now Fiori cafe
Also 25 Coventry Street, Haymarket (now apparently TGI Fridays)
and also
Hanover Square, London (needs confirming).
Bartholomew
and Emily also lived at Vanburgh Fields, Maisfield Lodge, Charlton in 1899.
Also Blackheath, SE3 in 1897 and Greenwich East in 1881.-
Frank
was born in 1851 Birmingham and was a shopman – and was a boarder living at 8
Arthur Street, St Pancras, London. – Birmingham XV1 398 Jul-Sep 1851.
Arthur
was born in 1853 again in Birmingham and was a commercial traveller – Birmingham,
6D 116 Jan-Mar 1853
Bartholomew
and Emily (Bird) so she was Emily Lang’s Aunt – got married at the Parish
Church of St Martin’s in the Fields in London on the 9th June 1872.
He lived at 15 Castle Street, Leicester Square in London. Emily Bird’s father was a coachman
and was called James Bird (he must have been William Bird’s brother). Frank and
Emily Kerslake were witnesses at their wedding. So why was Emily Bird (Lang) over in Ireland? Had James Bird come over from Ireland or had William gone to Ireland which seems a bit unlikely as the Potato Famine was raging. So it is more likely that James had come over to England.
** I have since found out that James Bird was possibly married to Charlotte Papworth in Huntingdonshire (as it was called then) and got married on 17th October 1841 in Northumberland - which ties in to Bartholomew Robson too as our ancestors possibly lived there too (as Master Mariners). Charlotte's father was James Papworth
Martha
Swinyard (his mother) maiden name was Anderson.
Bartholomew
(the uncle) was born in 1801 in Bermondsey? who was a schoolmaster died on the
8th November 1866 (same date as my dad) of old age (decay of nature)
(funny how it doesn’t appear old now) – informant was Mary ? of 9 Prospect
Place, Union Road, Rotherhithe. He married Susanna Anderson (a dress maker) (she was born in 1804 in
Spitalfields - on the 15th November 1839 at St Saviour, Southwark –
his father’s name was also Bartholomew and was a Mariner – her father was John
Anderson, also a Mariner. Bartholomew (both of them) lived at 13 Jamaica Row,
Bermondsey (1862) and she at 46 Paradise Street, Rotherhithe. Witnesses were
John Anderson and Caroline Marie Made?
Bartholomew
Robson (I think his uncle was originally born in 25th April 1819 in
Lamesley, Tyne and Wear *Durham – his father was William and his mother Judith)
I
have some death certificates of daughters from Charles Swinyard (I think
Williams brother) – diphtheria was the main cause.
Emily died on the 29th May 1936.at 3 Tavistock Road, UD – of cancer,. The death was reported by her cousin S Jackson of 111 Waddon New Road, Croydon. She made her will on the 11th Nov 1932 – with Barclays Bank being the Executor and Trustee. She left some money to John Percy Shewring (a pecuniary legacy) and also to Mary Blyth (who were they) – who married Alexander Beaton on 9th November 1932 – Emily approved accounts on the 20th January 1938.
William
Swinyard married Martha Anderson (is this a relation of Susanna Anderson who
married Bartholomew? In Shalford – John Anderson is named as the father – I
can’t work out what his occupation is on the certificate. But William snr was
also a pipemaker.
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| Percy and Emily Lang on their wedding day April 1912 |
